Boeing 787 vs Airbus A350

Boeing 787 vs Airbus A350, Boeing 777 vs Airbus A330, I hear a lot of questions in this vein.  Which is better?  Which flies further, higher, carries more passengers, and which is the more advanced?

Airliners are like tools in a toolbox that an airline can choose to use on routes appropriate to the traffic demand. Some routes are relatively short and don't require airliners that have a long-range, or the ability to fly a long distance.  If the pair of cities being linked are large cities then there might be a demand for more frequent flights by smaller airliners rather than fewer flights by larger airliners.  This allows the airline to offer business travellers a wider choice of departure times which reduces time wastage waiting for inconvenient less frequent departure times.  At peak times a much larger airliner might be used to ensure maximum uplift of passengers at those times.

It is critical to an airline that they have the right tools for the tasks that they intend to undertake.  Like any business, airlines have to control expenses, so once again the right tool is essential.  This is why many airlines have a mixture of airliner types. These different airliners are used on routes that they are specifically designed for and can perform the task with the minimum overhead expense.

The Airbus A350 XWB takes off on its maiden flight on 14 June 2013 from Aéroport de Toulouse-Blagnac.

Let's look at the two newest offerings from the top two airplane makers, Boeing and Airbus.  Both aircraft manufacturers have come out in the last few years with new models that are technological leaps forward.  The Airbus A350 XWB (eXtra Wide Body) and the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.  These two airliners represent the competition between Airbus and Boeing to have the best offering in the market.  But mostly they represent the demands of their airliner customers for a more advanced and economical tool for their airliner toolbox. Economy is the driving factor.

Particularly since the 2008 doubling of the oil price, airlines have been looking for ways to reduce their fuel bill and therefore protect their margins.  On the other side of the equation, the proliferation of Low-Cost Carriers has put downward pressure on airfares and airlines are having to ensure their aircraft are full in order to make sure they show a profit.

Jet Airways Airbus A330-200 registration VT-JWF.

These two newest airliners employ new techniques such as the use of composite materials to reduce weight, and single-piece fuselage sections to reduce the number of fasteners which once again reduces weight.  Weight reduction of course reduces the amount of fuel burn required to carry a payload from A to B.  Coupled with enhanced passenger comforts to make them more attractive to the travelling public, these airliners are setting the bar for the future of air travel.

Both the Boeing 787 and the Airbus A350 come in 3 variants.  This ensures that the models are a very versatile offering to the market and the same design can be used for many different scenarios.  This also highlights the fact that giant twin-engined jets are now the mainstay of passenger aviation.  We have seen the demise of the Airbus A340 which was a 4-engined version of the Airbus A330.  This was produced at a time when twin jets were still getting approvals for long over-water flights, but with the present level of engine technology, this is no longer an issue.  We may even see the end of the 747 and A380 if a recession hits as some would suggest.

So, when we talk about Boeing 787 vs Airbus A350 or Boeing 777 vs Airbus A330, we have to remember that there are different variants of each of those models.  Let's look at range to start with.  Obviously, if an airline has long overwater routes, then they will need airliners with long-range ability.  The economics have to add up as you may end up with a flying tanker with a few passengers on board.

In ascending order the maximum ranges of the largest of today's twin jet airliners.

Although we can see that Boeings' 777 offers the shortest and the longest range, the airliner models are fairly evenly spread through the various niche markets as relates to range.  The Boeing 777X, which I have not yet included here, as design specs are only now just being finalised, will have a range of 17,220Km which is up there with the Boeing 777 200LR.

United Airlines Boeing 777-200 registration N778UA.

So we know how far these airliners can fly relative to each other, but unless we know what they can carry over that distance, the information is a little pointless.  So below we have a table to show the relative passenger numbers as well as the Maximum Takeoff Weight (MTOW) for each.

A list of the large twin jet airliners with their maximum take-off weights (MTOW) expressed in kilograms and their maximum passenger numbers when configured in a typical 3-class configuration.

We can see here also that there are niches for each of the airliner models,  for each Boeing offering there is an Airbus offering that does relatively the same job and vice versa.  If you look at an aircraft that carries a heavier load you can go to the range chart above and it will probably have a lesser range unless, of course, it is a specially built extended range variant.  You can also notice that for example the Boeing 777 200 and Boeing 777 200ER (Extended Range) carry the same amount of passengers, however, the 777 200ER has a higher maximum takeoff weight.  This of course is to lift the additional amount of fuel that gives it the extended range ability.

This mix of attributes ensures that all niches in the Very Large Airliner (VLA) market are addressed.  Large capacity - short distance, large capacity - long distance, small capacity - long distance, small capacity - short distance.

Aircraft Model and Variant	Range	Passenger Capacity (typical 3 class)	Maximum take off weight (MTOW) (tonnes)	Fuselage Length (metres)	Wing Span (metres)
Airbus A330 200	13,430	293	233.00	58.82	60.30
Airbus A330 300	10,830	335	230.00	63.69	60.30
Airbus A350 800	15,700	270	248.00	60.54	64.75
Airbus A350 900	15,000	314	268.00	66.89	64.75
Airbus A350 1000	15,600	350	308.00	73.88	74.75
Boeing 777 200	9,700	301	247.20	63.70	60.90
Boeing 777 200 ER	14,310	301	297.55	63.70	60.90
Boeing 777 200 LR	17,370	301	347.50	63.70	64.80
Boeing 777 300	11,120	365	299.37	73.90	60.90
Boeing 777 300 ER	14,690	365	351.50	73.90	64.80
Boeing 787 8	15,200	242	228.00	56.70	60.10
Boeing 787 9	15,700	280	251.00	62.80	60.10
Boeing 787 10	13,000	323	251.00	68.30	60.10

The table above shows the different relationships between capacity, length and wing span.  In the case of the Boeing 777, the LR and ER extended range variants use additional wing size to enable higher lift as well as accommodate more fuel storage space.

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QANTAS Airbus A380 Orders Capped at 12.

Back in 2006, QANTAS was one of the first airlines to place an order for the Airbus A380 Super Jumbo. 20 of the type were ordered which certainly lifted the QANTAS image as an industry leader. On 21 September 2008, the first A380, registration VH-OQA named for the much loved and respected aviatrix Nancy-Bird Walton landed in Sydney. Over the next 3 and a half years Airbus delivered 11 more airframes with the last of the 12 arriving in December 2011. VH-OQL, named Phyllis Arnott after the first woman in Australia to take a commercial pilot's licence, is now officially the one that concluded the order.

QANTAS had the third largest order for the Airbus A380

For the last 8 years, QANTAS has had 8 A380s outstanding in their order book with Airbus. Sources at QANTAS indicate that those remaining 8 aircraft have not been featured in its future network plans for some time. This week it was announced that the remaining 8 would no longer be required and in discussions with Airbus formally cancelled that remaining order. This is no doubt bad news for Airbus as this cancellation is a significant contributor to the $US4 billion in lost contracts. Airbus is putting a brave face on it, one source was quoted as saying, "one month does not make a year". Let's hope they're right.

When we look at the order book for the A380 as of the end of January 2019, we see there are 313 orders with 234 airframes delivered of which 232 are currently in active service. The QANTAS order for 20 aircraft was the third largest behind Singapore Airlines and Emirates. The Emirates order itself is what is keeping the A380 factories open. Of the 162 ordered by the giant airline, 109 have been delivered. We also note that Virgin Atlantic who had 6 on order has now dropped off the order list.

The Emirates Airbus A380 was in a class of its own.

Whilst Airbus might see the Emirates order as being a lifeline for the A380. There is talk that Emirates may also be rethinking its strategy and perhaps looking at the A350 as a viable alternative. As we wrote back in 2015 about the 747-8, is the day of the 4 engined Jumbo sized aircraft at an end? We can only speculate, and of course, Airbus is remaining tight-lipped, about whether we will soon see a closure of the Airbus A380 production line.

QANTAS say they are committed to the A380s in their fleet and around mid-year this year, they will embark on a revamping and upgrade of the interiors of their A380 fleet. So there certainly is a commitment to the type in the future.

Project Sunrise

Described as the last frontier of aviation by the CEO of QANTAS, Alan Joyce, is the non-stop flight to anywhere in the world. The advent of the giant twin-engined airliners is bringing this dream into reality. QANTAS recently took delivery of its Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners which have been deployed on the Perth to London non-stop flight route. This will become available for East Coast Australian cities soon as well. Mr Joyce indicated that the aircraft are stripped back and are targeted at the higher-end business market. Cargo may even be sacrificed in favour of sleeping berths for extremely long flights.

The QANTAS Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner is pivotal in Project Sunrise, bringing more of the world into the non-stop flight umbrella.

Perhaps we are at that tipping point where those longer flights are becoming economically feasible. If we go back a few years, the Airbus A340 was given as a solution to those ultra-long flights that other airliners could not compete with. Singapore Airlines pioneered some of those long routes, but eventually, the economics didn't stack up. The long-range A340 became known as a flying tanker with a few passengers allowed along for the ride.

QANTAS also introduced an extremely long route from Sydney to Dallas, Texas using their Boeing 747 400ER. It was quite a stretch, and on several occasions on the Dallas to Sydney leg, which is against the jet stream, the aircraft had to stop over in Noumea due to low fuel. This route is now operated by the Airbus A380.

Originally Mr Joyce of QANTAS was adamant that the Project Sunrise aircraft would carry in excess of 300 passengers. This has been revised back now, and may well follow the lead of Singapore Airlines on their Singapore to New York route using an Airbus A350-900ULR (Ultra Long Range). This non-stop flight of 18 hours is available to 67 Business Class travellers along with 94 Premium Economy Class travellers. Certainly a high-end portion of the market. For high-flying business travellers, this is the quickest way to get there, so maybe it is money well spent.

Perhaps we're not all as keen as those business travellers to shave a few hours off our trip and pay those premium prices. But there are new aircraft being developed and improved all the time. The likely candidates are the Boeing 777X and the Airbus A350 1000. We mustn't quite forget about supersonic travel either. Concorde may not have flown for a decade and a half, but that doesn't mean the concept is dead.

Qatar Airways, the A350 Launch Customer.

Today marks 10 months since Qatar Airways, the A350 launch customer received their first Airbus A350 XWB.  Pressing it into service between Doha and Frankfurt on the 14 of January 2015, Qatar Airways became the first airline in the world to offer passengers the Airbus A350 service.  This has been a long road for Airbus, from conception to testing and finally production. The video of the A350 journey below sums it up very well.

Qatar now has 4 of the 43 Airbus A350 900s it has on order.  In addition, Qatar also has 37 of the larger Airbus A350 1000s on order.

The 4 A350s now in service carry the following tail numbers: A7-ALA, A7-ALB, A7-ALC, A7-ALD. These aircraft are used primarily on the  Doha to Frankfurt and Doha to Singapore routes at the following times.

Qatar Airways A350 XWB Timetable
Flight Number	Origin	Destination	Departure	Arrival
QR 069	Doha	Frankfurt	01:20	06:55
QR 070	Frankfurt	Doha	11:25	18:25
QR 067	Doha	Frankfurt	08:00	13:35
QR 068	Frankfurt	Doha	15:40	22:40
QR 938	Doha	Singapore	07:00	19:50
QR 939	Singapore*	Doha	21:20	23:55

As you can see it is still quite a rarity to be able to actually see, let alone fly on an A350. If you are lucky enough to be able to do either, we would love to hear from you and hear your thoughts below in the comments.

Vietnam Airlines, the Second Operator of Airbus A350.

Whilst Vietnam Airlines is the second operator of the A350, the actual ownership of their aircraft lies with aircraft leasing company, Aercap Holdings N.V. based in the Netherlands.  

The first aircraft joined the fleet on 01 July 2015 and was used on the Hanoi to Ho Chi Min City (Saigon) domestic route for familiarisation and testing. Vietnam Airlines has now received two of the 10 A350 900s they have on order.  These two aircraft are registered as: VN-A886 and VN-A887.  The current routes served by the these 2 aircraft include, Ho Chi Min City, Hanoi, Seoul and Paris.

Air Vietnam the second of the A350 operators. This A350 941, registration VN-A886 was their first aircraft, delivered on 01 July 2015.